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silmaril



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drats.

What I'm reading from this is Splenda/Other non nutrative sweeteners are not the magic answer?

I had hoped by switching to diet soft drinks and using splenda in coffee, that I would avoid the pitfalls of sugar/fructose.

If I'm reading this correctly, anything 'sweet' will kick the body into gear anyhow?

Is the only course to remove all sweetness from the diet?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... no the best course is to substitute with glucose (dextrose) ... unfortunately there are very few commercial products sweetened only with glucose (Lucozade is one) ....

Interestingly there a is a 2009 study on the effect of a diet of non-nutritive sweeteners --- http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/4/688.full

In that study they observe that the artificial sweeteners increase tummy fat and blood glucose levels (leading to Type II diabetes) but not the other things associated with fructose consumption (Blood pressure, Triglycerides and HDL). --- so diet soft drink may give you type II diabetes and make you fat but it won't give you heart disease or stroke ...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather avoid the lot!

I bought a Brita filter jug, am slowly reversing the ratio of softdrink - water I was drinking to be on the healthier side.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating reading, that study.

I find this quote interesting however:

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experimental data show that participants randomly assigned to dietary regimens that include artificially sweetened foods and beverages do not gain more weight or consume more energy compared with those randomly assigned to sugar-sweetened food/beverage regimens (14–22).


Also, no data or studies yet on Sucralose.

The 67% elevated risk of type 2 diabetes is incredible!
I wonder what the increased risk factor is for a consumer of sugar sweetened soda, at the rame rate of 1 or more per day.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... this says its 83%

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/292/8/927
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay for Lucozade!

Not that I've drunk it yet, but have bought two bottles for a weekend treat! I see what you mean about the flavoured versions - the original lists in the ingredients Glucose 24%, the nutrition panel lists sugars as 24.6gm/100.
The fruit/flavoured versions still listed glucose as 24%, but the nutrition panel had sugars at 46gm/100!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The study David references is just a statistical assessment of diet drink consumption and disease.  It would be interesting if they had fructose consumption figures for the population.  I note the report says "the current study, dietary patterns of diet beverage consumers and nonconsumers were different in several respects (i.e., regular diet beverage consumers ate more whole grains, fruit, low-fat dairy products, desserts, and coffee but less high-fat dairy products, processed meat, refined grains, and sugar-sweetened soda)."
You have to wonder if the deserts and low fat products mean diet soft drink consumers statistically have a high fructose intake which is the real cause of the link.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike ... you could be on to something there --- I'll bet "low-fat diet" overlaps significantly with "drinks diet soft drink" - and that in fact may be the cause of the association .... interesting thought indeed.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It also happens in rats!  
See http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080210183902.htm

I discounted it at first - but when it happens to rats ...

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